: Summit University Press, 1987. Assemble everything and you end up with a mass of contradictions and glaring inconsistencies. 'the dead sea scrolls deception' beholds a fine description of how scholars of this topic operate...surpressing material that doesn't fit the status quo & ridiculing men of the proffession(j.allegro) that don't comply. Same with the christian text that causally mentions the fall of Jerusalem. If there's an agenda in preserving the text why leave it so vague when the writers hint in places that they have more information- but won't share it? I would rather drive roofing nails into my skull than watch this. As for owning your holiness - what holiness? So, would you think Jesus had Jimmy Swaggart charisma or Bette Davis charisma? If the church didn't exist it would be no different than the myths of the Greeks, the Norsemen or the Native Americans. I don't follow Jesus because I don't feel that the Bible meets my standard for morality and ethics. Or what would you leave for your creation to seek you, if you give them free will or just the simply ability to think and choose? I take that to mean that you set yourself above those who know a lot more about the subject than you, who've studied the subject a lot more than you have and who've gone into the subject in a lot more depth than you have. And just what substantial proof can you offer to support your statement that James the Just was the origin of the gospel Christ as a teacher of righteousness. The Cato the Younger I know of was born ca 95 BC and died 46 BC, well before Tacitus was born. .." The consensus of biblical scholars (which I take seriously, as these people have no agenda other than scholarship) is that "Jesus" was baptised by John the Baptist, he preached during the last three years of his life and he was crucified, none of which is contained in this excerpt. Next thing you hear he's ranting on street corners, mad, bad and dangerous to know, the rest is history. Living the lie. TEN MINUTES of the google research I can find people that don't agree with you (SHOCKING that they exist, huh). Please try again. The documentary failed to mention that Luke 2:41-52 where "Jesus" argues with the elders of the temple is the only place in the bible treating of "Jesus'" education. If I was to share BS, I would say nothing matters, if i was sharing BS to others I would also keep quiet. Although Qumran is thought to have existed at least a hundred years earlier and some of the texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls are dated earlier than the sacking of Jerusalem by the Romans. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for The Lost Years of Jesus : Documentary Evidence of Jesus' 17 Year Journey by Elizabeth Clare Prophet (1984, Trade … I have yet to read or see anything that makes me think jesus existed, in the end it's all speculation. : Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Your scriptures are NOT evidence, they're man authored ideas about a supposed deity, and are thus not evidence any more then the Qu'ran, Book of Morman, Vedas, or any or any other claimed 'scriptures' are. Maybe out of hatred towards Christianity. Please try again. (what you really mean is, 'Is the Bible the inerrant word of 'God') Some parts are accurate, some parts are not, much of it we don't and can't know what was originally written. Joseph is and was a common Aramaic name. There is a big problem with your answer for the contradictions in the Gospels. If not, shove your preaching up your Holy dogma, you'll reap what you sow. The first 10 or 15 minutes are spent listening to a number of people, including the narrator, state over and over again that nothing is known about the life of "Jesus" from ages 12-18, accompanied by re-enactments--or perhaps it's the other way around. Cicero, proconsul, to M. Caelius Rufus, Athens, July 6, 51 b.c. I expect that will be a recurring theme in your posts. It's a sad day. Every religion is a fiction, just to keep human beings disciplined and all these r just fairy tales but there is something supernatural. Ah, the old language question. I've been missing for at least that long. I dunno y ppl havent figured out yet and start chasing something which doesnt exist and make up crap. Those people we know for sure died, not to mention the others wounded that do/have had to live with it. If you´ve read your Cato the younger you wouldn´t have to ask that. Rekindling one of the Jesus Christ’s greatest mysteries, a la “The Da Vinci Code,” the new book draws from a 1,500-year-old Aramaic-language manuscript found inside the … And if they name the historical Jesus for who he is, then the whole of christianity sinks like Titanic. Josephus even tells us that James was called the Christ, if you remove the christian add-ons in the text. Because that would be the truth. I don't get it but I have been influenced by it. The Lost Years of Jesus: ... Following the Passion Joseph is said to have returned to Britain with the Holy Grail. so, sparce, few, and suspect sources suddenly become substantial and compelling evidence? I am sick of having you repeatedly term mainstream biblical scholarship which I subscribe to in this respect as a theological belief when it's everything but and for your information, I'm the farthest thing from a theist. Has a comfy feel. And give us, not a rule book, cause the bible is not a rule book actually, people and stupidity have made it out to be that way. These followers were so affected by what he said and the manner in which he said them that they would talk about the man and his message to anyone who would listen. I really don't see why you have a problem with purely human authors placing codes into a temporal book in 1st century Palestine considering the political environment of the time. But you have a point though, most scholarship in this field is very simple and ruled more by christian dogma than real scientific work and curiosity. There is NO real historical, archaeological, linguistic, or any other kind of evidence that Jesus was a real person. You made the statement about John Allegro (and yes, I know who he was), now it's up to you to explain what he has to do with this cockamamy idea. In fact: Every secular source used in apologetics has to be dismissed since none of them adds anything to the quest for a historical Jesus. Should that job not be reserved purely for a committee of tailors, who in due course and with much scholarly deliberation may indeed consent that the Emperor may or may not be naked based on the current level of research at this time and with due respect to their esteemed colleagues in the field and so forth. I am the furtherst thing from a believer, but based upon what I have read from true biblical scholars (i.e., those whose only agenda is scholarship), I accept the existence of the historical Jesus--BUT THAT"S AS FAR AS IT GOES. There is not one shred of evidence for the theological beliefs you present and yet you persist in calling me ignorant for not accepting these unfounded beliefs you carry so proudly. Mark didn't know Hebrew he knew Greek and he was a great writter and so he had access to Greek literature. Get back to me when you´ve read them. Okay, I understand your answer, and thank you for taking the time to respond. ...We should take your claims as accepted archaeological and historical fact it seems. Elizabeth Clare Prophet is a world-renowned author, spiritual teacher, and pioneer in practical spirituality. these history channel documentaries, too much bla bla bla and no answers..... PR abilities can be learned but some seem to come by it naturally. So I have to blindly accept what you cannot support. Not even one line to say he was a peasant worker with his father during that time to fill the gap? Judging by your overall comments, you don't know what you're talking about. It's all ultimately derived from "Pagan Stuff" to be fair. Josephus cannot be excluded because he adds to our knowledge who the historical Jesus really was. What about women? I started in a church that observed the LAW, 10 commandments for 2 ½ years. "Do we have to go back in time to understand what it means today"? I even wonder if he was an extraordinary intellect and charisma. Needless to say, I will not.
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